Chineese Bloggers' Conference 2005 in Shanghai, China
Now they're going to have closing remarks and there's music being played. The organizers are setting something up.
It's a slideshow w/ photos from this conference. Nice pix:
Zheng of cnblog wants to thank all the volunteers who made this meeting possible. Tick of tickwang.com -he also introduces his group charity blog, ocef.com and zhangxi who's blogbus employee.
Yuan Zi: she has had a personal blog for a long time but never thought of the larger media implications
Wang Peng: he has a blog but its mainly links and is a member of cnblog
Xiaolong: has been online for 5 years but just about a year blogging
Chen xuer: has been in the blogosphere just about half year. He came to blogosphere because he wanted to hear the truth and speak the truth wants to do something real.
Isaac Mao comes out with Zheng:
On the evening of the 4th we had no idea what would happen the next morning, didnt know if somehting would happen to cause it to be cancelled at last minute. Some people started coming even earlier than 8am. As soon as the meeting got going we knew it wasnt wasted effort. For the past two years we've been wanting to have a chinese blogger meeting. Now weve finally done it. Its a great accomplishment of the cnblog team thanks to friends from Taiwan and Hong Kong and overseas. We were going to call it the "china" blog conference but changed to "chinese" (implying language) blog conference to broaden the spectrum. It's called "annual meeting" which means that we need to do it next year. So where will we have this next year? beijing? taipei? guangzhou?
(Allen getting ready to go home....)
This is a great example of how you can go from online organization to offline. Hoping to have the next blogger meeting in beijing next year and hope it will be even better. That's all folks!! take your trash out with you!! Thank you :-)
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It's a slideshow w/ photos from this conference. Nice pix:
Zheng of cnblog wants to thank all the volunteers who made this meeting possible. Tick of tickwang.com -he also introduces his group charity blog, ocef.com and zhangxi who's blogbus employee.
Yuan Zi: she has had a personal blog for a long time but never thought of the larger media implications
Wang Peng: he has a blog but its mainly links and is a member of cnblog
Xiaolong: has been online for 5 years but just about a year blogging
Chen xuer: has been in the blogosphere just about half year. He came to blogosphere because he wanted to hear the truth and speak the truth wants to do something real.
Isaac Mao comes out with Zheng:
On the evening of the 4th we had no idea what would happen the next morning, didnt know if somehting would happen to cause it to be cancelled at last minute. Some people started coming even earlier than 8am. As soon as the meeting got going we knew it wasnt wasted effort. For the past two years we've been wanting to have a chinese blogger meeting. Now weve finally done it. Its a great accomplishment of the cnblog team thanks to friends from Taiwan and Hong Kong and overseas. We were going to call it the "china" blog conference but changed to "chinese" (implying language) blog conference to broaden the spectrum. It's called "annual meeting" which means that we need to do it next year. So where will we have this next year? beijing? taipei? guangzhou?
(Allen getting ready to go home....)
This is a great example of how you can go from online organization to offline. Hoping to have the next blogger meeting in beijing next year and hope it will be even better. That's all folks!! take your trash out with you!! Thank you :-)
Tagged: cnbloggercon
They have a t-shirt signed by lots of speakers and participants and they're going to auction it on the web and proceeds will go to blog-driven charities.
They're going to auction it off through the bbcc tag (http://technorati.com/tag/bbcc) which is the auction tag that will be used.
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They're going to auction it off through the bbcc tag (http://technorati.com/tag/bbcc) which is the auction tag that will be used.
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Zola is talking now, he is going to read his personal ad on how to change the world:
He wanted to change the world, realized he's too small, reducing the scale to changing the country, thats also not realistic but must start with changing oneself.
His site is: http://www.zuola.com
He is talking about how his blog is his personal plat form for his own ideas, talking about the friends he has met on the web. He's showing his own beach photo & the girls are hooting
Zola says his traffic has been fairly high lately but he doesnt want to be like furong jiejie or muzimei. He invites us to go to his website and get in touch with him. zuola says to be a person to document your life helps us to understand our lives.
Showing photos of people he met in xinjiang, a uighur woman he met who took him to a mosque, cool photo of himself and picture of some uighur kids he hung out with in yili in xinjiang.
Philewar - the creator of China version of Slashdot comes up on stage to give a demostration of his creation:
This is the guy who does the chinese slashdot: http://solidot.org/
He changed the name to solidot.org
There's question about what it (solidot) means: they (solidot site admins )said they were going to post something explaining that but its a combination word where "solidus" means "slash". Philewar created the site with Cathyan.
There's some comment made on the site aobut how the people keep growign beards. (Philewar has beard). Apparently the site said that these IT people w/ beards look like pirates, so he's joking that the site is accusing him or issaac of looking like a pirate.
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He wanted to change the world, realized he's too small, reducing the scale to changing the country, thats also not realistic but must start with changing oneself.
His site is: http://www.zuola.com
He is talking about how his blog is his personal plat form for his own ideas, talking about the friends he has met on the web. He's showing his own beach photo & the girls are hooting
Zola says his traffic has been fairly high lately but he doesnt want to be like furong jiejie or muzimei. He invites us to go to his website and get in touch with him. zuola says to be a person to document your life helps us to understand our lives.
Showing photos of people he met in xinjiang, a uighur woman he met who took him to a mosque, cool photo of himself and picture of some uighur kids he hung out with in yili in xinjiang.
Philewar - the creator of China version of Slashdot comes up on stage to give a demostration of his creation:
This is the guy who does the chinese slashdot: http://solidot.org/
He changed the name to solidot.org
There's question about what it (solidot) means: they (solidot site admins )said they were going to post something explaining that but its a combination word where "solidus" means "slash". Philewar created the site with Cathyan.
There's some comment made on the site aobut how the people keep growign beards. (Philewar has beard). Apparently the site said that these IT people w/ beards look like pirates, so he's joking that the site is accusing him or issaac of looking like a pirate.
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Jack is here to discuss tagging with other panelists of the session "tags/Folksonomy:
Jack introduces panelists as xx, zhangyang, chenxuer, zhaozhan, liu pingyang
& #6 & each panelist given an intro to themselves.
Liu is doing a chinese version of flickr
Jack is asking the audience what tag people would give him: like "skinny", "blogger"?
He asks who would think of "handsome?" everybody laughs...
So jack is explaining how tags work as a way that people add their perspective and definition to a thing or person. Asking the panel to talk about when they first became interested in tags:
-liu (#6) says he first became aware of tagging in april 2005 and came to see how useful tags are. They're a kind of network, a method, and a model.
-#5 says the use of tags has a few key points:
-its related to information
microphone having problems - make it really really hard to understand
-chen xuer: why are tags so imporatnt? he thinks they're a really fabulous way to organize and share info. Talks about how people have been tagging (labelling) things throughout history. Tagging is the interface between computer and person when it comes to organizing and finding information. Its like a very low tech tool - the nail. If you went to remember something you nail it to the wall. Thinking a lot about tags. Talking about the cnbloggercon tag. how we are all connected through microcontent.
-zhang yang talking now"
"microfunction" - his new term
Its the way you connect microcontent together, he hopes that people can use things like tags to connect bits of microcontent together.
Now talking about socialnetworks: we now have a lot of new technologies like rss, tagging and so forth, talking about question of how people use information, whether people get too assailed with information. Thinks somebody should do a chinese version of technorati. Talking about how he tags things and about ebay and how he would tag news about ebay.
-Liu says his service is meant to help people use tags better.
Questions & Answers Session:
People have to go to podium because hand mikes are not working.
Guy is talking about the mobile phone search service, now tagging makes it even easier to find things. Talking about the difference between categories and tags.
Reason why tags emerged: computers have no feelings. Tags reflect people's personalities, experiences, and relationsihps. Quoting josh schachter of del.icio.us: on "how tags are useful". Because its useful for him to find stuff he wants to remember - so its also usefu for others. But the most important thing is that tags help us add our emotions and experiences and relationships to a piece of content. If all 1.3 billion people tag jack 90% will use certain common tags. Tags are free.
People have their own personal impression of things but we all share certain perceptions.
Debate continues.:
-Zhao Yang thinks that free use of tags will create chaos, he believes that tagging needs to be professionalized. Tag may be chaotic but no more chaotic than keywords. Seehaha videoblogger gives views on tags. When he burns cd's he has to give each of them a label. Categories and tags are not contradictory. Tags help you find things better.
Final comment: tags may seem really chaotic and crazy but out of the chaos comes the diversity of this universem tag gives humanity to information.
-chen xuer: tags bring humanity to the web. people can use tags to help make it more human everyday.
Hopes people will tag all of their information, so it can be better shared and found. Maybe there will be a better thing than tags eventually but they are useful now. Hopes the chinese can create an open api for tagging.
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Jack introduces panelists as xx, zhangyang, chenxuer, zhaozhan, liu pingyang
& #6 & each panelist given an intro to themselves.
Liu is doing a chinese version of flickr
Jack is asking the audience what tag people would give him: like "skinny", "blogger"?
He asks who would think of "handsome?" everybody laughs...
So jack is explaining how tags work as a way that people add their perspective and definition to a thing or person. Asking the panel to talk about when they first became interested in tags:
-liu (#6) says he first became aware of tagging in april 2005 and came to see how useful tags are. They're a kind of network, a method, and a model.
-#5 says the use of tags has a few key points:
-its related to information
microphone having problems - make it really really hard to understand
-chen xuer: why are tags so imporatnt? he thinks they're a really fabulous way to organize and share info. Talks about how people have been tagging (labelling) things throughout history. Tagging is the interface between computer and person when it comes to organizing and finding information. Its like a very low tech tool - the nail. If you went to remember something you nail it to the wall. Thinking a lot about tags. Talking about the cnbloggercon tag. how we are all connected through microcontent.
-zhang yang talking now"
"microfunction" - his new term
Its the way you connect microcontent together, he hopes that people can use things like tags to connect bits of microcontent together.
Now talking about socialnetworks: we now have a lot of new technologies like rss, tagging and so forth, talking about question of how people use information, whether people get too assailed with information. Thinks somebody should do a chinese version of technorati. Talking about how he tags things and about ebay and how he would tag news about ebay.
-Liu says his service is meant to help people use tags better.
Questions & Answers Session:
People have to go to podium because hand mikes are not working.
Guy is talking about the mobile phone search service, now tagging makes it even easier to find things. Talking about the difference between categories and tags.
Reason why tags emerged: computers have no feelings. Tags reflect people's personalities, experiences, and relationsihps. Quoting josh schachter of del.icio.us: on "how tags are useful". Because its useful for him to find stuff he wants to remember - so its also usefu for others. But the most important thing is that tags help us add our emotions and experiences and relationships to a piece of content. If all 1.3 billion people tag jack 90% will use certain common tags. Tags are free.
People have their own personal impression of things but we all share certain perceptions.
Debate continues.:
-Zhao Yang thinks that free use of tags will create chaos, he believes that tagging needs to be professionalized. Tag may be chaotic but no more chaotic than keywords. Seehaha videoblogger gives views on tags. When he burns cd's he has to give each of them a label. Categories and tags are not contradictory. Tags help you find things better.
Final comment: tags may seem really chaotic and crazy but out of the chaos comes the diversity of this universem tag gives humanity to information.
-chen xuer: tags bring humanity to the web. people can use tags to help make it more human everyday.
Hopes people will tag all of their information, so it can be better shared and found. Maybe there will be a better thing than tags eventually but they are useful now. Hopes the chinese can create an open api for tagging.
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Horse is back & talking about www.postshow.net
Now talking about blogbeta.com
About blog pr and blog marketing.
Horse is talking about the importance of group blogs
Blogbeta.com is aggregating and following a whole bunch of news from overseas and translating
He talks about the group english blog http://web2.blogbeta.com/
Introducing latest developments on web2.0 in china and putting it in english.
Now talking about ofblog http://ofblog.com/wzp/ by Wang Zhenghong.
Its a news blog and has become very active.
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Now talking about blogbeta.com
About blog pr and blog marketing.
Horse is talking about the importance of group blogs
Blogbeta.com is aggregating and following a whole bunch of news from overseas and translating
He talks about the group english blog http://web2.blogbeta.com/
Introducing latest developments on web2.0 in china and putting it in english.
Now talking about ofblog http://ofblog.com/wzp/ by Wang Zhenghong.
Its a news blog and has become very active.
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Hennge - he's the CEO of Blogbus
http://hengge.blogbus.com - is his blog
Hengge says he' been waiting a long time to finally have a chinese language blog conference. The reason why it has taken so long are the growth of many chinese blog service providers has taken a while. It took a while to get enough support and recognition in order to do a public meeting like this. People have pointed out that his name used to be douyi, not hengge
His real name is Dou Yi. He says that his name comes from a poem. Hengge says it doesnt matter whether a blog is chinese english or whatever, it is a very convenient communication tool.
He's really happy about this meeting: last night was talking with the editor of "computer weekly", both agreed it was successful. Theres a reason for this. we're all bloggers. Yesterday kevin wen was talking about how blogdriver was created. Now one of them works for bokee the other works fo rwiki, they didnt mention bokee in their speech. kevin didnt advertise the fact that he now works for bokee - fact that he focused on blogdriver and didnt advertise bokee was important well Bokee and Blogbus was rivalry in Blog hosting.
Now talking about a photographer's perspective when it comes to how you set up a photography exhibit - you cant put too many random things in it. Who is china's most famous blogger? muzimei. why is she not here?
He's going to a comment somebody left on his blog:
Somebody left him a comment about whether "wangzhi" is correct translation of "blog" and "blogger". Hengge says hopes that people will give suggestions for better conference next year. He says a reporter asked him why the content of his blog has changed. He's been trying to keep his blog as a personal space but people still associate his personal blog with his company. He emphasizes he's here today representing himself, not blogbus CEO, but wants to emphasize something about blog service providers in china, at this point he hasnt seen a really good chinese blogging platform. A lot of the people here have set up their own sites, no chinese blog hosting company is able to really satisfy chinese users needs. This is a problem - people are asking about the competition between different blog service providers but he thinks the competition isnt w/ other different companies but its more a challenge to our internal teams. We are likely all to be developing in different directions. He hopes that every year we can have a blogger meeting like this from now on & hope that can give better service to bloggers.
We always say blog is personal media. Once youve been writing it for a long time it becomes your personal capital. Like isaac said, "our brains are plugged into our computers". He's hoping he'll be able to continue blogging his personal blog and leave his personal legacy on the web.
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http://hengge.blogbus.com - is his blog
Hengge says he' been waiting a long time to finally have a chinese language blog conference. The reason why it has taken so long are the growth of many chinese blog service providers has taken a while. It took a while to get enough support and recognition in order to do a public meeting like this. People have pointed out that his name used to be douyi, not hengge
His real name is Dou Yi. He says that his name comes from a poem. Hengge says it doesnt matter whether a blog is chinese english or whatever, it is a very convenient communication tool.
He's really happy about this meeting: last night was talking with the editor of "computer weekly", both agreed it was successful. Theres a reason for this. we're all bloggers. Yesterday kevin wen was talking about how blogdriver was created. Now one of them works for bokee the other works fo rwiki, they didnt mention bokee in their speech. kevin didnt advertise the fact that he now works for bokee - fact that he focused on blogdriver and didnt advertise bokee was important well Bokee and Blogbus was rivalry in Blog hosting.
Now talking about a photographer's perspective when it comes to how you set up a photography exhibit - you cant put too many random things in it. Who is china's most famous blogger? muzimei. why is she not here?
He's going to a comment somebody left on his blog:
Somebody left him a comment about whether "wangzhi" is correct translation of "blog" and "blogger". Hengge says hopes that people will give suggestions for better conference next year. He says a reporter asked him why the content of his blog has changed. He's been trying to keep his blog as a personal space but people still associate his personal blog with his company. He emphasizes he's here today representing himself, not blogbus CEO, but wants to emphasize something about blog service providers in china, at this point he hasnt seen a really good chinese blogging platform. A lot of the people here have set up their own sites, no chinese blog hosting company is able to really satisfy chinese users needs. This is a problem - people are asking about the competition between different blog service providers but he thinks the competition isnt w/ other different companies but its more a challenge to our internal teams. We are likely all to be developing in different directions. He hopes that every year we can have a blogger meeting like this from now on & hope that can give better service to bloggers.
We always say blog is personal media. Once youve been writing it for a long time it becomes your personal capital. Like isaac said, "our brains are plugged into our computers". He's hoping he'll be able to continue blogging his personal blog and leave his personal legacy on the web.
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Presentation VI, "Blogging and Media" by SayOnly (Zhi Shuo)
Published Saturday, November 05, 2005 by Angelo Embuldeniya.
Sayonly has started talking about the relationship between blogs and media:
He will talk about webzine, xplus, and blogs, different kinds of online media and about perceptions in china about blogs. Poll results and talks w/ IT experts in china, he will also show how people in china view blogs.
Its pretty early to talk about blogs as media in china right now is what some people say because people say they're still very amateur. First takes a look at how the media reports on blogs. He talks about recent businessweek article on blogs and about the point of that article.
Now he's showing boingboing, digforfire - which is a webzine on music in chinese, xplus - a chinese website started in 2003. Its a desktop client to subscribe to online magazines.
Next slide: webzines
Shows examples of a couple u.s. ones: the revealer and "the raw story" while talking in depth about the history of webzines in the u.s. He's introducing them to the chinese audience and is talking about editorial structure of webzines.
He's now talking about the chinese webzine subscription platform xplus & explaining how it works. Continues to explain in some detail how xplus works - its a desktop client that enables you to subscribe to webzines and now moving on to some blog related ventures - AlwaysOn. He's talking about opsn-source media and insider network with always on, there is a super-blog, with lots of people blogging within it, but while each has an rss feed subscribers not big.
Now SayOnly talks about slashdot and the founder and the history of how slashdot came to work. Explaining how slashdot's community site works in great detail. When it was small, how the spam could be managed by hand but as it grew things had to get more mediated by a group,then eventually thing had to be automated.
Talks about how it started in 1998 with first post, then grew in 6 months to an explosively large site. He is still explaining the community reputation system within slashdot which determines how prominently your post is featured. Talking about the democratic model of media which slashdot presents, and how its a good model for chinese sites. more about slashdots' (success).
Now SayOnly is talking about gawker media:
He's introducing the various authors of the blogs within gawker media, like wonkette's ana marie cox, gizmodo's joel johnson, jalopnik, fleshbot, defamer, screenhead, lifehacker, etc. He's talking about each gawker media author one by one in great detail.
Now talking about Nick Denton who's the founder of Gawker Media. Talking about the spat between nick denton and dave winer - about rss, etc.
SayOnly is now doing the summary:
-lessons: all of these successful online media have a strong capable leader behind them
-Successful blog media have a really all star author team
Now he's showing results of a poll about blogs
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Now looking at results of impact on blogs:
-75% said blog can be media
-16.2 think that blog isnt media ... etc...
-86% thought that blogs commercial potential still not ripe
Talking about his discussions about blogs w/ 2 different bloggers:
-fangjun of ideastalk.com
-michael anti believes that blogs can fill in gaps that media doesnt fill
-mushiyuliang "priestliu":
He thinks govt should have more open view towards blogs in china
-laoyao: another blogger, thinks blogs can give us windows into peoples lives better than other media
-lilao, another blogger (too fast, didnt catch)
-anke, reporter - is creating a search tool
he believes that blogs can supplement other media
-webleon another blogger.. (didnt' catch, hes going really fast and mumbling now)
-wozy: has a very complicated view about blogs and their impact
Sayonly says that 2006 will be a very important year for blogs in china
[UPDATE: Rebecca just created a bloglines aggregator with as many participant blogs as she knows of here: http://www.bloglines.com/public/CNBloggercon
If you know others she's missing, please email her on rebecca.mackinnon(at)gmail.com]
Tagged: cnbloggercon
He will talk about webzine, xplus, and blogs, different kinds of online media and about perceptions in china about blogs. Poll results and talks w/ IT experts in china, he will also show how people in china view blogs.
Its pretty early to talk about blogs as media in china right now is what some people say because people say they're still very amateur. First takes a look at how the media reports on blogs. He talks about recent businessweek article on blogs and about the point of that article.
Now he's showing boingboing, digforfire - which is a webzine on music in chinese, xplus - a chinese website started in 2003. Its a desktop client to subscribe to online magazines.
Next slide: webzines
Shows examples of a couple u.s. ones: the revealer and "the raw story" while talking in depth about the history of webzines in the u.s. He's introducing them to the chinese audience and is talking about editorial structure of webzines.
He's now talking about the chinese webzine subscription platform xplus & explaining how it works. Continues to explain in some detail how xplus works - its a desktop client that enables you to subscribe to webzines and now moving on to some blog related ventures - AlwaysOn. He's talking about opsn-source media and insider network with always on, there is a super-blog, with lots of people blogging within it, but while each has an rss feed subscribers not big.
Now SayOnly talks about slashdot and the founder and the history of how slashdot came to work. Explaining how slashdot's community site works in great detail. When it was small, how the spam could be managed by hand but as it grew things had to get more mediated by a group,then eventually thing had to be automated.
Talks about how it started in 1998 with first post, then grew in 6 months to an explosively large site. He is still explaining the community reputation system within slashdot which determines how prominently your post is featured. Talking about the democratic model of media which slashdot presents, and how its a good model for chinese sites. more about slashdots' (success).
Now SayOnly is talking about gawker media:
He's introducing the various authors of the blogs within gawker media, like wonkette's ana marie cox, gizmodo's joel johnson, jalopnik, fleshbot, defamer, screenhead, lifehacker, etc. He's talking about each gawker media author one by one in great detail.
Now talking about Nick Denton who's the founder of Gawker Media. Talking about the spat between nick denton and dave winer - about rss, etc.
SayOnly is now doing the summary:
-lessons: all of these successful online media have a strong capable leader behind them
-Successful blog media have a really all star author team
Now he's showing results of a poll about blogs
Now looking at results of impact on blogs:
-75% said blog can be media
-16.2 think that blog isnt media ... etc...
-86% thought that blogs commercial potential still not ripe
Talking about his discussions about blogs w/ 2 different bloggers:
-fangjun of ideastalk.com
-michael anti believes that blogs can fill in gaps that media doesnt fill
-mushiyuliang "priestliu":
He thinks govt should have more open view towards blogs in china
-laoyao: another blogger, thinks blogs can give us windows into peoples lives better than other media
-lilao, another blogger (too fast, didnt catch)
-anke, reporter - is creating a search tool
he believes that blogs can supplement other media
-webleon another blogger.. (didnt' catch, hes going really fast and mumbling now)
-wozy: has a very complicated view about blogs and their impact
Sayonly says that 2006 will be a very important year for blogs in china
[UPDATE: Rebecca just created a bloglines aggregator with as many participant blogs as she knows of here: http://www.bloglines.com/public/CNBloggercon
If you know others she's missing, please email her on rebecca.mackinnon(at)gmail.com]
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